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lamont
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Posted 15:35, 04/27/2010
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I think all states should do the same thing.
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NickelBack
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Posted 17:26, 04/27/2010
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LOVE IT
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 21:20, 04/27/2010
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What does it change? If a cop in NC wanted to check someone out, they would pull the person, ask for ID, and then check them out. It is only political stunts. Nothing more.
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wizard
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Posted 9:17, 04/28/2010
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Why do the liberals think illegal has no meaning? They will add millions as citizens, with benefits they have not helped pay for. obama is doing this for votes, plain and simple. With acorn out of the picture, obama knows he has lost millions of illegal votes.
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farmer
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Posted 9:57, 04/28/2010
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Agreed, fiesta...Arizona's hotel, agriculture and landscaping industries have illegal laborers as a foundation: it's been that way for many decades. Why be so concerned, all of a sudden? The problem has been present for years and has made many business owners VERY rich.
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Duck
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Posted 10:26, 04/28/2010
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Just think of how many more jobs there would be and a whole lot more money for us americans if the illegals were sent home immediatly.
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sandy
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Posted 12:50, 04/28/2010
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Make it US.wide.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 22:40, 04/28/2010
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Duck -
How many more jobs would there be? I work for a roofing company as a foreman. They advertised a job as a helper for me for about 3 months. No one qualified responded until a former illegal (married a citizen, paid $8,000 in fines and now is legal) answered the ad and got the job. Exactly how many "americans" missed out during those 3 months?...or are you just typing out of ignorance?
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Walks the Talk
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Posted 2:1, 04/29/2010
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"President Obama called the Arizona [immigration] law misguided. What's misguided,
Mr. President, is the federal government's ongoing refusal to enforce the laws that
are already on the books. Read the Arizona law. Parts of it are word-for-word the
same as the federal statutes which continue to be all but ignored." --CNN's Jack
Cafferty
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SBD
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Posted 0:9, 05/01/2010
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The liberal news media is calling for boycots of Arizona. maybe the illegals will boycot the state as the government tere has intended for them to do. I do wish there was a list of all products made in Arizona so that I could make sure they are on my first choice to buy list when shopping.
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walks the talk
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Posted 3:19, 05/01/2010
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"So Arizona passes a tough law against illegal immigration and suddenly they've got
Washington's attention. One poll finds 70 percent of Arizona voters support this new
law, so, 'Hey, maybe we better do something, too.'
And like the lemmings they are
when they smell a chance to score some political points, and some of them need a lot
of help with the midterms coming up, there is now talk of rushing immigration reform
through Congress.
President Obama called the Arizona law 'misguided.'
What's misguided, Mr. President, is the federal government's ongoing refusal to enforce the
laws that are already on the books. Read the Arizona law. Parts of it are
word-for-word the SAME as the federal statutes which continue to be all but ignored.
Now we'll hear all sorts of blathering from our Washington gerbils about the need
for a new federal law. There'll be news conferences and interviews and committee
hearings and draft legislation and polling -- all the usual carnival acts that
accompany any hot button Washington issue.
Instead of simply closing the borders and
enforcing the existing law so they could turn their attention to something like the
national debt and the fact that the country is bankrupt, instead we're going to get
this freak show. Washington's position on illegal immigration is patently dishonest
from the top down. No enforcement, no border security, just pandering to the
Hispanic voters and the corporations that hire the illegals. And then, when one of
our states that's being ravaged by the presence of 460,000 illegal aliens inside its
borders does something about it, the president says that's misguided. What a shame."
--CNN commentator Jack Cafferty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZgveS92Akw
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commonsense
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Posted 13:47, 05/03/2010
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Fiesta, What do you think is the reason no American wanted the job for three months? You think maybe it is difficult to get a descent person to work for what your company pays? Regardless of the reason I hope this low life mexican you hired robs the place out of business, that is what your company deserves for hiring him. That being said I think any law that makes it hard on these beaners is a good one.
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commonsense
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Posted 13:57, 05/03/2010
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A couple of things I was wondering about. Why are we Americans not out protesting in support of getting the mexicans out of our country. Take one look at what a sewer they turned mexico into and ask yourself "should we stand by and let them take over and do the same to OUR country." The other thing is, if all these mexicans are going to show up in one location to protest, then wouldn't that be good place to use the law and load all of them up and get rid of them.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 14:24, 05/03/2010
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Actually we are the largest roofing company in the country, the pay far exceeds industry standard, and have full family insurance for only $80 a month (including dental and vision). We also have an ESOP program and other liberal benefits.
That being said, you continue to show a complete lack of common sense with each post you make. This "beaner" works hard to support his wife and son. He is a decent person in spite of what some uneducated redneck thinks of his skin color or where he was born.
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commonsense
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Posted 14:43, 05/03/2010
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fiesta, You said he came here illegaly, married to become a citizen (wonder if the pregnancy was before or after the wedding) and payed some money to stay here. That sounds like a real winner. The fact you work him hard does not make him a good man. If a mexican breaks into your home or business and hurts your family and carries everything off then he is working hard while he's doing that too. If people like you didn't hire them they would have no reason to stay. When enough of them get here to ruin this country like they did mexico do you think the roofing company will be worth much then.
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jebby
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Posted 14:56, 05/03/2010
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fiesta,just what are the qualifications to be a roofer,be able to climb a ladder and hit a nail with a hammer?or is there something we white folk dont know about?
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 15:3, 05/03/2010
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You are making a complete fool of yourself...
He was married 5 years before his son was born.
He works hard along side of me, not as some sort of servant that you must picture him to be.
He is working and contributing to this country in the form of taxes and setting a good example of manhood for his son. That is more than a lot of "Americans" can say. Frankly he is an asset to this country. He isn't stealing from anyone (another uneducated redneck sterotype).
I have had enough sense not to engage you on most topics because you have nothing to offer in the form of conversation. I will not bring myself down to the level that would be necessary to try to continue one here. My last statement will be that yes, a man who is willing to provide for his family, set a good example for his children, and just generally be a real man in a society of leechs is a real winner. I don't care where he was born or where he lives now. Frankly we need more people like him in this country and less people like you.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 15:4, 05/03/2010
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jebby - LOL. Are you being serious or just making a joke? This white guy could teach you.
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hambone
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Posted 15:48, 05/03/2010
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I was in construction over 40 years. A trained monkey could be a roofer. If you can climb a ladder, carry shingles, and use a nail gun or hammer, then you can be a roofer. People that love construction but are stupid, become roofers.
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weezie
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Posted 16:41, 05/03/2010
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If the Mexicans did leave this country, no one would fill their jobs because they believe they automatically deserve more.
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commonsense
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Posted 17:0, 05/03/2010
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Fiesta, you hate being wrong so much you will say and make up anything. It is true that any idiot can be a roofer you have proven this by telling us how good a job your trained beaner does. If you are in love with these slime balls so much the U.S. govt. would not stop you from going with them. If the part about them being criminals is not true then why is the majority of the prison population mexicans. You even said yourself that your little trained beaner came here as a criminal.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 17:16, 05/03/2010
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hambone -
You might have some truth to residential work. Nothing is as easy as someone who knows what they are doing make it look though. If you really have been in construction that long, you would know that.
What we do is commercial service work. That requires a little more thought. Not a lot though. One day you may be fabricating a new skylight curb system that is resistent to corrosive fumes, built on a coal tar pitch roof, and is OSHA certified for fall protection and the next day you are setting up a fall protection system on top of a building lifted up 1 foot and dropped again by a tornado breaking the support beams. I have done them both and it involves a little more than knowledge of how to swing a hammer.
It is a pretty easy job. That is if you have the intellegence and ability to think through a problem and see dangers before they arise.
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commonsense
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Posted 0:3, 05/04/2010
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Hambone, ole fiesta likes to make it sound pretty complicated. You were right the first time about the intelligence required. The fact is that if his pet mexican can do it then an UNTRAINED monkey could.
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Yadkinishome
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Posted 0:39, 05/04/2010
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I don't have a problem with anyone coming to this country looking for a better life that works hard and supports their family. America was founded on that very principle. I despise those that are that sit on their rear end, reproduce, collect a check, and take advantage of the hard working citizens of this country. I'm for anything that gets scum like that out of our country the fastest.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 7:18, 05/04/2010
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Yadkinishome -
Exactly. That includes people coming to this country and those fortunate enough to be born here.
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nobodyuknow
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Posted 8:16, 05/04/2010
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commonsense/hambone: You two Einstein`s have to be the dumbest pair of posters in the history of The Yadkin View. Ya`ll must be twins or the same person. Hambone: Its hard to believe that you have been in construction for 30 years. I doubt that you two have ever done any roof work much less any kind of HARD work in your lifetime. It`s hard to find good roofers because it`s hard work. There are lots of very competent roofers/construction workers in YC who would love for you two idiots to come out to the job site and tell them how stupid they are. If You want to talk about Illegals then go ahead but dont get on here and put down people who are trying to make a living.
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hambone
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Posted 17:23, 05/04/2010
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I was not trying to put anybody down, I was just stating facts. I do know hard work. 5 of us used to frame a 1600 sq ft house and have the rafters set in 10 hours. I helped put a lot of roofs on my first 10 years. Then I realized going to Trade St. and hiring bums off the street was the way to go. Being called dumb by an idiot doesn't really bother me, so say what you want.
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nobodyuknow
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Posted 18:9, 05/04/2010
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Like I said hambone prance yourself on down to a jobsite and tell them how you feel about roofers and their intelligence level. You might just get that butt whooped. Sitting behind that screen makes a person brave.
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commonsense
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Posted 23:34, 05/04/2010
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nobodyuknow, I don't see where anybody said that roofing was not hard work, the point is that if a mexican can do it then it does not require any intelligence, just the ability to use a nail gun.
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nobodyuknow
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Posted 7:42, 05/05/2010
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commonsense: You can come on down to the job site and express your views with your coward buddy hambone.
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commonsense
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Posted 10:57, 05/05/2010
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nobody, You are real scarry. I don't need you to prove my point on the intelligence with your ignorant little redneck, fake tough guy, comments. But thanks for the support just the same.
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nobodyuknow
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Posted 12:53, 05/05/2010
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commonsense: Im not trying to scare anybody. Im just putting out some facts just like you think your doing. Fact #1: You will never step out from behind your computer screen and express your veiws to the people who you so boldly put down on the view. Fact #2: You are a racist of the worst kind.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 13:14, 05/05/2010
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nobodyuknow - And the framer (whose whole job is holding boards and swinging hammers) says all you need to know to roof is to...well climb a ladder and swing a hammer. I can't help but to get a good laugh out of that.
Anyway, he has admitted that his knowledge of construction is framing houses. That is fine. That trade is needed too. It is easy to do new construction and literally the same thing day after day after day. I enjoy the challenges that commercial work offers and not mindlessly doing the same thing over and over.
Hambone - Do you want to discuss how you would approach some of the challenges I mentioned earlier? We can start off with what the first thing you would do walking into "a building lifted up 1 foot and dropped again by a tornado breaking the support beams". Since this is probably beyond your scope of knowledge, I will give you a hint...you need to create as safe work environment as possible. If that is too much, you can start off with something simpler. Maybe how would you secure the breathing environment during a coal tar pitch tear off project (or do you even need to)?
I am not trying to put you down here. I am just stated the fact that you spoke without knowing what you are talking about. The fact that new residential construction is the simpliest known to man explains why it attracts the simpliest people within all of its trades. And yes, shingle work is going to be one of the simpliest jobs on a residential jobsite. Go commercial with occupied buildings and the whole dynamic changes.
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wizard
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Posted 13:16, 05/05/2010
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You don't even have to speak english to roof. How hard can it be.
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trash
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Posted 20:43, 05/06/2010
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I completely support Arizona's new law. Its awesome. I absolutely hate when some #$@ hole says the words "jobs Americans don't want" that's BS. Lets take roofing as I see you guys have, the cheap labour has driven the wages down so far it is impossible to compete with those that do not play by the same rules. Its like restaurants, can you work in a kitchen if don't speak Spanish? the damage done by the economic debasing of American society has been done for a long time. the reason is profit. illegals filled the need in respect to that downgrading of wages. its madding to hear fancy pants recognize the righteousness for his friend, but at the same time defend the idea illegals fill the employment gap while an American goes with out work. he can say what he wishes, but the idea of illegals working in the construction industry is absolutely wrong. period.
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INFOWARRIOR
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Posted 23:49, 05/06/2010
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This country was founded by immigrants. I have no problem with people coming to this country legally. I do have a problem with the Immigration test to show what all Americans should know. Im a American Citizen born here White Male. I particpated in a Immigration test as a study in college. out of 100 White Males and Females 2 passed the immigration test. It ask things about Our history that we are never taught.
If people started looking at Goverment as 1 Thing instead of 2 Red or Blue the Country would actually be a whole lot better off.
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JohnQPublic
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Posted 2:33, 05/07/2010
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We should erase Arizona on the top of this bill and write in NORTH CAROLINA! And so should every other state!
This practice of law enforcement officials requesting to see someones "papers" is the acceptable norm in Europe most notably and the rest of the world. SO WHY NOT THE US???
If we leave the boarders of the US, we carry a passport............. as we travel and visit other countries, we as Americans fully recognize that at any time any law enforcement official can ask for our papers (passport).
BOO HOO, Quit your crying. IF your here legally then you have nothing to worry about.
JohnQPublic
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 11:16, 05/07/2010
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wow
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yearight
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Posted 16:18, 05/07/2010
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I'm with John Q. on this one.
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walks the talk
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Posted 3:0, 05/08/2010
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Dezinformatsia
World's Smallest Violin: "Hundreds of thousands of [illegal immigrants] now live in
Arizona but ... many no longer feel welcome." --CBS anchor Katie Couric
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 15:29, 05/08/2010
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I was just going to let this one go but decided not to. Hopefully by not letting it go, a light bulb will go off in someones head that it hasn't yet.
"its madding to hear fancy pants recognize the righteousness for his friend, but at the same time defend the idea illegals fill the employment gap while an American goes with out work. he can say what he wishes, but the idea of illegals working in the construction industry is absolutely wrong. period."
1st I never said illegals should fill any employment gap. In fact as I have been trying desperately to point out the man I work with is legal.
2nd no "American" went without work. It took 3 months for us to find a qualified individual willing to work for an above industry average salary. It just so happens that the man who was qualified was born in Mexico and in America legally.
3rd and I continue to stress this, illegals in the construction industry is bad for the industry. BUT IF A MAN DOES WHAT IT TAKES TO BECOME LEGAL, (I REPEAT FOR EMPHASIS, IF A MAN DOES WHAT IT TAKES TO BECOME LEGAL) EVEN IF IT REQUIRES COMING HERE ILLEGALY IN THE BEGINNING, PAYS HIS TAXES, SUPPORTS HIS FAMILY, AND CONTRIBUTES HIS FAIR SHARE INTO THE TAX POOL, I SAY WELCOME TO AMERICA! CAN YOU BRING SOME MORE WITH YOU? There are so many people fortunate enough to be born in this country that aren't willing to pull their own weight and are a drain on our society that we can use all the help we can get.
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Wilford
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Posted 19:13, 05/08/2010
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fiesta
Wayda go.
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TG
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Posted 19:39, 05/08/2010
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Wilford; you can't go to Arizona and open a garage because you would need to spell Tommy and not T_mmy, however you could get you some mexicans and work on jalopies but no county car maintenance jobs as Sheriff Joe wouldn't allow it, and would arrest all your employees.
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trash
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Posted 20:56, 05/10/2010
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I know fancy pants, i missed quoted you several times. I read what you wrote. I see what you mean. I still must say that at one time you harboured a criminal. That your actions, your decision to work with an illegal makes you part of the problem. I will not work anyone with dark brown skin.(profiling)I think that law abiding people should check you guys out and see if your american material.if not, well you know.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 21:15, 05/10/2010
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I have worked with him for a little over 60 days. He got his green card about 10 years ago.
I know what you are saying about not wanting to work with someone with dark skin. A lot of people don't. Before my boss hired my helper, he asked me if it would be a problem for me to work with someone named "Jose". I don't have a problem with it at all. I have worked like a man since I was still in the single digits. It might have been anything from hauling lumber while my dad and older brothers helped remodel our home or hauling steel and helping to fabricate trailers with my dad. I started working in tobacco when I was 13. I respect any man willing to work and contribute his fair share. I don't care where he was born, what color his skin is, or about any other superficial characteristic. I need help supporting the welfare leechs (white, black, hispanic, or whatever).
I hope that is one of the lessons that my sons can say that I taught them. To judge a man by the content of his character, not the color of his skin.
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wizard
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Posted 9:53, 05/11/2010
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This is not about skin color, it is about "illegal". It seems some of you can't understand what the word means.
fp, are you saying the company you work for does not have illegals working for them? If this company is as large as you stated, how do you know what they are doing across the nation?
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coollittlehot
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Posted 12:21, 05/11/2010
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omg. The company he works for has 2,000+ employees, and Fiesta's got nothing to do with HR. How can he say what his company is doing across the nation??? Clearly he IS familiar with the immigrant he is working with. Why is that so difficult to understand??
You are completely wrong. The topic has everything to do with the color of someone's skin. If, in Arizona, you can be pulled aside and told that you have to produce proof of legal status, or you're thrown out, I'd wager my blonde-haired, blue-eyed nephew wouldn't have a problem in that state.
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NickelBack
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Posted 15:43, 05/11/2010
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I think that the Govt. should ask for volunteers to guard the boarder. I would be more than happy to supply my own ammo!
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 21:10, 05/11/2010
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"You don't even have to speak english to roof. How hard can it be."
Yep, I am sure that has nothing to do with skin color either.
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wizard
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Posted 9:2, 05/12/2010
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fp, it is about "illegal". If most "illegals" are dark skinned, then it has no choice but to be about skin color. All "illegals" are a drain on this nation, regardless of skin color. You are the one bringing up skin color. When someone says "illegal" you start with the skin color remarks. Ever wonder why? Maybe you do know what the problem is, but cheap labor is clouding your judgement.
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commonsense
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Posted 11:37, 05/12/2010
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fiesta, You are talking out of both ends now trying to justify yor position. You act like you know this beaner and then say you have only worked with him for sixty days. The only thing you know about this slimebag is what he has told you, and why would you beleive anything a criminal says (and you even said he came here as a criminal). I say if you would pay a decent wage then you would get decent people to work for you. I do not beleive you when you say that your company does pay well, and why should I beleive anything you say after you get on here and tell us how great your pet mexican is. What a bunch of BS.
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coollittlehot
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Posted 15:34, 05/12/2010
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Again... If, in Arizona, you can be pulled aside and told that you have to produce proof of legal status, or you're thrown out, I'd wager my blonde-haired, blue-eyed nephew wouldn't have a problem in that state.
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coollittlehot
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Posted 15:38, 05/12/2010
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commonsense, you really don't live up to your screen name. lol.
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trash
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Posted 17:6, 05/12/2010
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we've danced this dance before, preiviously we talked about road crews I believe. Here's the problem, if one person looks the other way in actions or in mind, we suffer. It only becomes worse when a multitude of bleeding hearts can not see forest because off the trees. Coolittlehot anf fancy pants both think there are jobs americans do not want. they think its ok for illegals to fill that need. No matter how many examples provided by the two of them they can not convince a person who judges by law and logic.
I feel the should wait in line like everyone else who fits a need in America. Screw any community that feels they are above the law.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 20:41, 05/12/2010
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wow. Some of you people just can't seem to get it.
trash - Yes, my old paving company had some legal Mexicans that worked on one of the crews. They worked hard, payed their taxes, and where a welcome asset to this country and my old company.
Again I choose to judge a man on the content of his character. Some of you must think that people born in Mexico are just inferior to people born in the US, because if they were as smart as us, they would have made the wise decision to be born here.
Honestly, is it just me, cool, yadkinishome, and tommy that get it? Please someone else say they are getting my point.
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wizard
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Posted 9:21, 05/13/2010
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fp, no one is talking about legal. "illegal" is what is being discussed. What part of "illegal" can you not understand? I am aure if you made a point, someone might get it. Why do you think "illegals" have any rights in the USA? Do you realize they are ALL criminals? If a convicted rapist escaped jail and came to you for a job, would you also hire him for cheap labor?
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 10:21, 05/13/2010
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Wizard - Yes someone is. I am. The guy I work with is legal. What part of legal do you not understand. He has been legal ever since I have known him and ever since he has worked for my company. This has been stated in I guess every post I made about him.
Also we pay more than industry standard. So we hire legal people and pay more than others. Why do you keep asking me about cheap labor?
The point is judging people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. I think this is an EXTREMELY VALID POINT. The problem is you only see the word "Mexican" and go back to the illegal cheap labor rant when we are talking about a well paid legal person.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 10:25, 05/13/2010
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I will state my point again so that it is not overlooked by anything else in a post...
WE SHOULD JUDGE A PERSON BY THE CONTENT OF THEIR CHARACTER, NOT THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN OR THE PLACE OF THEIR BIRTH.
Can we at least all agree with that statement?
Please someone who is reading this thread but not posting yet speak up. This is really being discouraging and eye opening at the same time.
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coollittlehot
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Posted 10:40, 05/13/2010
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Sweetie, you know it's hopeless. It's like talking to a doorknob.
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trash
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Posted 10:52, 05/13/2010
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Well Fancy pants I concede, buy not without a verbal agreement. I agree that someone should never judge a person by the color of ones skin. But let ask a question, If I took ten percent of your earnings would you not be up set? If I broke into your home would not you shoot at me? I contend that attitudes toward jobs in America are problematic. How many have worked with false papers? how many people have come to this country with the attitude of contributing legally only to have another person negate the system entirely. where is the justice in all of this, you say you welcome integrity, yet I do not believe you recognize that very quality. Hers my point, illegal workers take ten percent of jobs away from americans. They tax our systems beyond their share of contribution. Firms hire and exacerbate the the dwindling wage market. You can not honestly say the people that have worked with you in the past were legal or not, unless you checked the papers personally. Did you do that very thing fancy pants? did you check the paper work associated with these workers? And if they stole their identity you may have contributed to the thief of someones personal information, its a possibility. if you agree that I'm right for being angry with your attitude, I will agree with you!
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 11:8, 05/13/2010
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My attitude is that it is right to judge someone solely by the content of their character and you are expecting me to say that you are just in your anger against that attitude....seriously?
I have never said anything in support of people coming here to rob, cheat, and steal. I only say welcome to those willing to come here, work hard, and contribute to society. That is the type of people I worked with at both the paving and roofing companies. Those are the people I speak in support of.
To ask if I checked their papers personaly is silly. Of course not. We have HR departments to do that. I feel confident that was taken care of. Why would any rational person assume otherwise?
Lastly, 10%? Really? Where did that number come from? Is it related to the 10% of all people are gay study by any chance?
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 11:24, 05/13/2010
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trash -
I just went back and re-read your post. I found 1 sentence especially interesting...
"you say you welcome integrity, yet I do not believe you recognize that very quality."
What is integrity? Some of the traits I associate with a person who has integrity is a willingness to work hard, pay their fair share, and puts their family first. Where am I wrong in your view?
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wizard
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Posted 15:1, 05/13/2010
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fp why are you here running your mouth about legal when everyone else is talking about illegal? Everyone knows legal workers are fine, so why do you keep making a fool of yourself? You must not understand what the word "ILLEGAL" truley means. AGAIN, legal is fine, "ILLEGAL" is not. Please try to get that into your empty head.
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wizard
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Posted 15:12, 05/13/2010
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WE SHOULD JUDGE A PERSON BY THE CONTENT OF THEIR CHARACTER, NOT THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN OR THE PLACE OF THEIR BIRTH.
So you are saying it is ok to be illegal, as long as you work hard? I have one question for you. Are you a Mexican? If yes, all can understand your reasoning. If no, you have proven my point of "you don't have to be smart to be a roofer.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 15:23, 05/13/2010
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Alright. Finally.
Wizard has come to see the light. He is now in agreement with me. There is nothing wrong with the man I work with because he is a hard worker, pays his fair share, and is LEGAL!
Atta boy wizard. I just know you had it in you! That is why I have stayed on here trying to make everyone see that not all Mexicans are illegal or criminals. Now just shout out "I WILL ONLY JUDGE PEOPLE BY THE CONTENT OF THEIR CHARACTER AND NOT THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN OR PLACE OF BIRTH!" and the transformation will be complete.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 15:24, 05/13/2010
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Oh well. I tried.
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trash
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Posted 9:3, 05/14/2010
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Integrity as a concept has to do with consistency of actions, values, methods, measures, principles, expectations and outcomes. People use integrity as a holistic concept, judging the integrity of systems in terms of those systems' ability to achieve their own goals (if any). A value system's abstraction depth and range of applicable interaction may also function as significant factors in identifying integrity due to their congruence or lack of congruence with empirical observation.
I apply this ideal to the job market. if you use your method of labour,or debt as a gauge then you attitude diminishes my job environment. you dont get that your judgement, your bias hurts america. you would only judge on work ethic, not WHO they are. isnt it true that if I work for you all day, kept my mouth shut, you wouldnt care where I came from? you would not even ask would you? I would. when Im out bid by mexicans its because they have low wages no over head and by mass save money cause 30 people in a a single wide trailer. they send x amount of dollars out of the country. that money should stay local. im out of time.
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cowchip
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Posted 9:43, 05/14/2010
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When people talk about illegals, someone always starts talking about how great workers the legals are. Who cares, the posts are about illegals.
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michelekibbler
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Posted 11:24, 05/14/2010
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Eric Holder has been commenting on the Bill all week saying it will cause racial profiling, etc., yet he admitted he hasn't even read the Bill. The AZ Bill is only 10 pages long vs the Healthcare Bill that was 2,000 pages.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 18:11, 05/14/2010
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trash -
"you would only judge on work ethic, not WHO they are."......Wrong. I only try to judge on the content of the person's character, which is truely WHO a person is. Where they are born is a piss poor indicator of a person's character. You want proof? Go to Central Prison. There are plenty of natural born Americans there.
" isnt it true that if I work for you all day, kept my mouth shut, you wouldnt care where I came from? you would not even ask would you? I would.".....Actually that is not the case at all. The largest minority group my company employs are people from Asia (Vietnam, Laos, that area). When I have one of them with me all day, I talk in depth about where they are from, their culture, and value systems. I try to take advantage of the opportunity to learn and grow as a person by gaining some understanding of how people live in other parts of the world. I have learned much about Mexican culture from several in depth disscussions that my helper and I have had.
"when Im out bid by mexicans its because they have low wages no over head and by mass save money cause 30 people in a a single wide trailer."....whoa, whoa, whoa here. First you are assuming that all Mexicans are illegal and low wage earners. That is true in some cases, but not with either company I have worked with them at. In fact, since my company pays above industry average, I have to blame some of you "American" company owners for paying your "American" employees too little. If you would raise your pay scale then my would raise too!
BTW, the roofing and paving companies I worked for were always high bidders. We also always have plenty of work. In construction the only thing you have is your reputation. If you hire cheap workers, you get cheap results. The word gets around and you don't get repeat business, even if you are the cheapest. No one in the commercial industries wants a roof that leaks or a parking lot that has paver marks all over it, regardless of wether or not it was 5% cheaper. Now residential work may be different. It is simple work for simple minded folks. Skilled and unskilled labor mix seamlessly there and it probably is about price most of the time.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 18:19, 05/14/2010
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michelle - Like I said in my first post on this thread, this law does nothing. It is a political stunt. If a cop wants to check someone out, they do. They may say contact was made because of some suspicous behavior, but that isn't the case.
Take me for example. I am 36. I have never been waved through a drug checkpoint. I have always been checked out. Now when I was younger I fit the mold. Grateful Dead stickers on my car, long hair, stuff like that. I understood why I always got checked and it never really bothered me (except one time when the cop had me hold my steering wheel and told me I better not move a muscle while his dog was sniffing my lap). I have been pulled late at night after getting off work at McDonalds just to be checked out. Now they always said I swerved over the yellow line a few miles back or whatever.
It is just politics. Nothing more.
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trash
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Posted 22:24, 05/14/2010
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we do not seee eye to eye. you see all the little parts. I see the big picture. You can cherish your learning experiences. Maybe you should join a church and do some missionary work in Mexico. As for me, as for the county I live in, we know and discuss the absolutely outragous number of mexican workers in the area. Since youre so tight with the average Mexican, why in the hell cant they cleanup after themselves in the national parks, in the campsites. I swear I wish a third of these people knew how to use a public bathroom. I guess your fine with any thing anyone does as long as they are honest and hard working. Excuse me pedro, did you shit in the corner? the honest fellow, "yes I did!"
Hey Pedro, would you like to carry this 50 sq of shingles up this 12/12 for twenty bucks? the hard working fellow "yes I would" thats ok if the guilable man suffers, or the greedy steals more. as LONG as they APPEAR to BE what you hope they are. honest and hard working.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 22:45, 05/14/2010
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I swear man, you truely are retarded. I tear your foolishness apart line by line and you not only do not understand it, you actually come back with more idiocy.
You are dismissed.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 22:54, 05/14/2010
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And by the way, if "Pedro" can carry 5000 square feet of shingles up a 45 degree pitch roof, he can take whatever he wants. Heck, I would help him load it into his truck.
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trash
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Posted 8:11, 05/15/2010
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hahahahahah
you are absolutely right. I have been inclined to do that with a purpose. You see, I do understand every word you have posted. I understand that you have a ethic issue dealing with people. It is a natural phenomenon to respect those that conduct themselves in a manner that is congruent to society. I to respect that person regardless of race,regardless of religion. I do take issue with the traits that undo, under mind and incapacitate the American way of life. You seem to me to haphazardly allow yourself to be mindful of the characteristics that make a good person good. At the same time you will not in your mind draw a line where lawful behavior and possible unlawful behavior starts and stop. within that possibility there is a number of issues that begin to creep into the political mind of Americans. Like jobs that Americans will not do. that idea drives me crazy. The idea that they pay their fare share of taxes. numbers don't lie. Yeah I was a little buzzed last night when I posted my Pedro post. But in that post is anther issue. Illegals growing and protecting pot in the remote nation parks. People have been murder by this activity being conducted. What I am trying to say is that once a thought, an idea takes hold it may have many unseen consequence. I would suggest that we continue on. I personally do not mind being called names like retarded, as long as I can call you a dope smoking liberal hippie that smells of patrulla.
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wizard
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Posted 8:44, 05/15/2010
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Arizonas New Law!
fp, how can you be so damn ignorant? This thread is about illegals, but you continue to say how great the legals are. So, what is your point? Do you think illegals have a right to live in this country.
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Mobi_CantSpell
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Posted 12:13, 05/15/2010
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If the nergo lead progressive run government would uphold U.S. law. Arizona wouldent have to pass a law to protect its citazens.
Protecting its citazens is the job of the federal government. Foran invaders from the south. It is a invation from the mud race. Why should any of them things take the job of white European-Americans.
The mexicans or there ansestors at least have bin here meany more years then white europeans. when the spanerds went to mexico thay interbread and mongeralized. there sociaty I how it is from that face. when white europeans came to America thay did not interbread with the indiginas peaple. thay chased them away and killed them as thay should of.
Today we have America. its being distroyed my the colored. why let more in and if you find one why not remove them.
Why would you want your white child produse a mongeral monkey child or even a brown mud baby.
The arizona law is nothing but what the US goverments inability to protect its citazens.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 17:58, 05/15/2010
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Trash - Well now I have something to say in response to that post. But it will have to wait as I got some other stuff I have to do first.
I will go ahead and say this. People associate smells with events sometimes. A mixture of pot, sweat, and patchouli take me back to the ninties and evenings at Phish concerts and such. It was a good time.
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Stokes
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Posted 12:57, 05/16/2010
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AMAZING
From Newsmax.com
. Times Square Bomber Exploited ‘Openings’ in US Security
The history of accused Times Square bomb plotter Faisal Shahzad “reveals a familiar pattern of a terrorist easily taking advantage of weak spots in America’s immigration system,” the Center for Immigration Studies asserts.
“Shahzad was admitted long before 9/11, but the openings he exploited are still in place today,” according to the CIS.
Born in Pakistan in 1979, Shahzad was issued a student visa in Islamabad in December 1998, CIS’s Jessica Vaughan reports using information provided by a New York Times chronology.
But Shahzad “certainly failed to demonstrate that he had ‘sufficient academic preparation to pursue the intended course of study,’ as the regulations require, or at least they did in the 1990s when I was issuing (and refusing) student visas,” Vaughan writes.
Shahzad was applying as a transfer student, and his transcript from his correspondence studies with Southeastern University, “a now defunct fourth-rate academic program,” showed several Ds and an F, Vaughan notes in the CIS article headlined “Faisal Shahzad: So Easy, Anyone Can Do It.”
Shahzad also did not disclose how he planned to pay for his education, which is required. Yet he received the visa.
“What on earth was this consular officer thinking?” Vaughan asks. “Probably about how annoyed the embassy senior staff might be if Shahzad’s father, supposedly a prominent military officer, complained about a visa refusal.”
In 2000, Shahzad graduated from the University of Bridgeport in Connecticut with a degree in computer science and engineering. He reportedly had received a grant of $6,700 from the school to help cover his tuition.
In 2001, he began working for a temporary staffing agency, even though he had only a student visa, which does not include permission to work.
Shahzad was issued an H-1B visa for skilled workers in April 2002, and began working for the Elizabeth Arden cosmetics company in a low-level accounting job.
In 2004, he married Huma Anif Mian, a U.S. citizen. Her neighbors told reporters that Shahzad visited her in Colorado only once before she married him.
That same year, he came under scrutiny from the Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF), which investigates cases related to national security. But no information has been released explaining why the agency was interested in Shahzad, according to Vaughan.
Shahzad received permanent resident status — a green card — in January 2006 because he had wed an American citizen.
“Marriage to a U.S. citizen is one of the easiest and most popular ways for illegal aliens (and terrorists) to obtain a green card,” Vaughan writes.
Shahzad applied for U.S. citizenship in October 2008, and despite the JTTF probe, he was sworn in on April 1, 2009 — although he did not give up his Pakistani passport.
He left for Pakistan in June 2009, and has said he visited the tribal regions of the country where he received training at a terrorist camp.
Shahzad returned to the U.S. in February of this year, and on May 1, attempted to set off a car bomb in Times Square.
Vaughan concludes that unless policymakers move to close the openings that Shahzad exploited, “they offer a sobering guarantee of job security for counter-terrorism and security personnel for the foreseeable future.”
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nasty
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Posted 17:5, 05/16/2010
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Anyone that supports illegal immigration is a total idiot.
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walks the talk
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Posted 1:51, 05/17/2010
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Stokes, It was all SO easy for Shahzad. And, of course, terrorists know this. It is way past time to close the borders for so many OBVIOUS reasons.
nasty, you are so right.
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trash
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Posted 9:6, 05/17/2010
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while watching c span I heard that to wed a citizen is no longer allowed by law. I was watching Washington journal.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 9:12, 05/17/2010
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wizard - Actually this started with a comment I made about a former illegal I work with who became legal about 13 years ago. Then "commensense" went on some rant about "beaners" and here we are now. You keep typing tripe without reading previous posts and trying to understand the conversation. If it is that difficult for you to keep up, please just hang out on the sidelines.
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trash
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Posted 9:14, 05/17/2010
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its not that most accept illegal immigration, its that some attitudes contribute to the problem. You would think that the people would revolt against the corruption in Mexico. I think there is a revolution of sorts in Mexico.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 9:56, 05/17/2010
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trash - I finally got a few minutes to respond to you, so here it is...
"It is a natural phenomenon to respect those that conduct themselves in a manner that is congruent to society."....I don't know. What is congruent to society? For instance, let's take Yadkin county. What would you say is most peoples reaction to the word "Mexican"? The first thought would probably be "illegal". Just look at this thread. I said several times this guy I work with is legal and you have people like "commensense" go on rants about how this filthy "beaner" is just going to rob us blind. I am a typical white countryboy, drives a truck, worked as a Yadkin county volunteer fireman, Sunday School teacher at an Independent Baptist church, roofer, etc. For me to be congruent with society would be to share beliefs similar to "commonsenses". I tend to think for myself though.
"I do take issue with the traits that undo, under mind and incapacitate the American way of life."....As do I. I think we are seeing the American way of life differently. To me it is that every person, regardless of race, sex, background, etc. can have a chance to make something of themselves. Those who are willing to put in the effort should have every opportunity to succeed and make America better. Those who are not willing to put in the effort should be cut off of the welfare teat. That includes natural born Americans as well as those born outside the US who would try to take advantage of the American welfare system.
"You seem to me to haphazardly allow yourself to be mindful of the characteristics that make a good person good. At the same time you will not in your mind draw a line where lawful behavior and possible unlawful behavior starts and stop. within that possibility there is a number of issues that begin to creep into the political mind of Americans. Like jobs that Americans will not do. that idea drives me crazy."......First the jobs that Americans will not do thing. That drives me crazy too. I am working right beside a Mexican. Obviously I would do that job. I think that is true in most occasions. I have seen plenty of "Americans" working on other roofs or on other road crews. I know it is true in those situations at least. Now back to the drawing a line between lawful and unlawful behavior. You are correct that I do not associate lawful with moral. There have been plenty of laws that were not moral over the years (slavery, rights to vote, lack of antidiscrimination laws, certain drug laws, etc). Let's flip flop the situation for a second. I don't know who you are, but for the purposes of this illustration I am going to assume that you are a husband with a wife and 2 small children. You live in Yadkin county, NC, but the only difference is that Mexico is the promised land where if a person works 40 hrs per week for minimum wage, they will be in the top 97% richest people world wide and the average wage in Yadkin county is the equavilant of 10 cents per week. Your wife and kids are starving to death. Would you sit there and watch them die or would you sneak into Mexico and do what it takes (sending money back to your wife and kids so that they can live in the meantime) to become legal and bring them over Mexico, thereby giving your kids a chance at a better life than you had? If you say no, I would sit in Yadkin county and watch them die, then I say you have no integrity or moral compass. If you say you would do whatever it takes to provide for your family, then we are on the same side that lawful does not always equate to good and unlawful does not always equate to bad.
"The idea that they pay their fare share of taxes. numbers don't lie."....They being who? Now I have said in the beginning that I support anyone trying to do things right. That means paying in their fair share among other things. I know that some illegals may not be doing that in the beginning, but working towards becomming legal may take some time. I respect that. Those that just want to sit on their butts to collect welfare should be sent home. If they come here just to pop out a baby and hope to stay, they should be sent back too. Now the baby will be an American and free to come back when it is 18. The mama can earn her way or stay in Mexico. Either way would be fine with me.
Now the pot thing. You have 2 problems in the scenerio. 1st is pot should be legal so then the whole murder thing would take care of itself. Once the money is taken out of a victimless crime, then criminal element will be taken out too. 2nd is the violence associate with this immoral law. Since there is so much money in it, harden criminals will kill to protect it. A field worth an estimated $65 million was busted less than 1/4 mile from the home I grew up in back in the early 80's. It is a problem that is way beyond the national parks or illegal immigrants. Long and short of it is I don't support any killing to protect a crop, but it is the laws that support that mentality.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 10:4, 05/17/2010
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trash -
" You would think that the people would revolt against the corruption in Mexico. I think there is a revolution of sorts in Mexico."
How can you? My helper and I were talking about the drug dealers down there. I mentioned that my cousin works for Blackwater and they are in talks with the Mexican government about coming down there and taking care of some of the drug gangs. My helper told me about a sheriff a few counties from where he is from. The sheriff was killed by a drug lord. The new sheriff was sworn in on the court house steps. After the swearing in he turned to come down the steps and a sniper killed him before he could get all the way down. They couldn't get another sheriff who wasn't "approved" after that. Also what will happen if my cousin identity gets found out by these people? They will have people in the US kill his mom, wife, and daughter. It is a different world and one I couldn't blame anyone for wanting to escape.
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Country Bumpkin
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Posted 11:10, 05/17/2010
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fp,,Yep,, and because we the people want to be (PC) the USA will be just like Mexico in a few years.You and me and the Govt. and all the people have got to Get Hard Nose and NOW,,
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white american
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Posted 11:48, 05/17/2010
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fp, in all your rantings you seem to have forgotten the real reason for this thread. This is about illegals. You seem to never mention this problem. It would seem by your posts that you prefer dark skinned (legal or illegal) more that white skinned. You just can not admit the illegals are draining this country. You are a racist against white people, pure and simple. You mentioned they pay their fair share of taxes. You are wrong, illegals pay no taxes. I truly can't understand your hatred for non mexicans.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 22:0, 05/17/2010
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Country Bumpkin - Simple. If you will not work, you should not get a check from the government. I don't care who you are or where you are from. Reform the welfare system and start a national sales tax that makes everyone pay (if you have a problem with illegals not paying taxes, here is the fix).
White American - No, the law is not going to change anything about illegals. It is only a political stunt. As far as being racist against white people, have you been watching Dave Chappel? Your comment reminds me of his skit about the worlds only black KKK member. Dave was a blind man who didn't know he was black.
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trash
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Posted 7:3, 05/18/2010
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hey.
what I mention is a little known and little publicized revolution in southern Mexico. At one time this anti corruption movement sought a better Mexico. I suppose that the drug Lords(which is a different subject all together)Beat out, incorporated, on crushed the movement. I will research more. As far as a political stunt, I think Arizona feels a bit different about that idea. just by these comments we see there is a problem, where is the Answer?
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 8:10, 05/18/2010
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I hadn't heard about the revolution you are talking about.
I say it is a political stunt because right now any cop can check out anyone they want to. This law makes the people of Arizona feel like something was done and gets the politicians a lot of political capital.
I think the answer starts with a national sales tax and reforming welfare laws. I don't think demonizing a race or nationality has ever accomplished anything positive.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 8:10, 05/18/2010
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I hadn't heard about the revolution you are talking about.
I say it is a political stunt because right now any cop can check out anyone they want to. This law makes the people of Arizona feel like something was done and gets the politicians a lot of political capital.
I think the answer starts with a national sales tax and reforming welfare laws. I don't think demonizing a race or nationality has ever accomplished anything positive.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 8:10, 05/18/2010
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I hadn't heard about the revolution you are talking about.
I say it is a political stunt because right now any cop can check out anyone they want to. This law makes the people of Arizona feel like something was done and gets the politicians a lot of political capital.
I think the answer starts with a national sales tax and reforming welfare laws. I don't think demonizing a race or nationality has ever accomplished anything positive.
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white american
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Posted 9:22, 05/18/2010
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fp, why do you just tell part of the law? You must be in the group that hasn't read the law, but bitch like eric holder. Federal law states if ICE doesn't pick up the felons within 72 hours, they must be released. Arizonas law allows them to be detained until they can be sent home. Now please explain why you think felons should be released instead if being deported. It is not our fault most of the illegals are mexican. Race doesn't matter,(which you can't understand) it's the illegal part that matters. Please have someone explain the law to you, so you at least seem educated on what you are speaking about. It is the criminal element we don't care for.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 10:42, 05/18/2010
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bitch? Lol!!! Is that kind of like when you were calling a white guy racist against whites? LOL. You have no idea what you are reading.
I stated that it is a meaningless political stunt. That isn't bitching. I don't care about it because it means nothing. That would be like me bitching because you don't understand how the real world works. I really don't care either way. It is meaningless. Now try hard to think about this. Where will ICE pick up the illegal? At his house or at a jail? If the ICE agent is picking the illegal up at the jail then the illegal is also being held for something else, understand? They will not have to be released if they are being held for something else besides just being illegal. For instance an illegal is arrested for DWI and a call is put out for ICE to come get them. If the ICE agent doesn't show up in time, then they still will not have to be released because they are being held for DWI as well.
This stuff is sold to people to feed their anger and fear in order for a politician to get those votes out of fear. The Democrats did in Florida for instance telling people in 2000 that if Bush won they would lose their social security. The Republicans are doing it to you right now and you are eating it up.
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wizard
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Posted 15:4, 05/18/2010
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If a person is arrested for DUI with no accident involved, they can be bailed out immediatly. That does include illegals if their status is not discovered. What you are ignoring is the fact that illegas are felons and should be treated as such. As far as to where ICE can pick them up, if they are known illegals they can be picked up anywhere they are found. What you do not understand, Arizona is just trying to enforce federal law that has been law for a long time which the feds will not enforce. This is not a dem or rep issue. It is about the law that neither side has enforced.If you think mexicans can get away with felony, I suppose you would support white felons in prison should be released also. There is no difference. A felon is a felon regardless of skin color.
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trash
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Posted 9:43, 05/21/2010
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I suggest we go to war with Mexico. stamp out the Government corruption and crush the drug cartels.
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lamont
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Posted 14:30, 05/21/2010
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Mrs obama was at a school where a little girl told her that her mother was illegal. She was afraid her mother would be deported under the new law Az. Mrs obama told her they would have to work on that. The last I saw neither the girl or her mama could be found by the news. I guess it has already been taken care of. She should be deported along with the rest.
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trash
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Posted 14:40, 05/21/2010
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lamont, hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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walks the talk
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Posted 3:48, 05/22/2010
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GO!, Gary Pierce!!!!!
Arizona utility commissioner Gary Pierce wrote Los Angeles Mayor Antonio
Villaraigosa, suggesting that, in the spirit of L.A.'s boycott of its neighboring
state, the Arizona Utility Commission is more than willing to help
(http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/Power-Play-Over-Immigration-Law-94251079.html
). "If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage
Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer
receives any power from Arizona-based generation," Pierce wrote. L.A. gets 25
percent of its power from a plant in Arizona.
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trash
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Posted 19:58, 05/22/2010
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hey walks, I thought that was great. I was livid for the arrogance of cali. now Arizona bitch slapped em hard. haven't heard much since then. lol
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lamont
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Posted 22:6, 05/26/2010
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18 more states to follow Az.
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walks the talk
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Posted 3:10, 05/27/2010
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North Carolina has joined in! ..Thanks to Senator East! But we must call Hoyle (below) because he will not schedule the bill to be heard unless there is public support.
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ALIPAC's North Carolina supporters are being asked to call and write their state
legislators in support of Senator East's SJ 1349, which is a version of Arizona's
immigration enforcement law for NC. Special efforts are requested to ask the
chairman of the Senate Rules Committee, David Hoyle (D-Gaston, (919) 733-5734) to
request the bill be scheduled for consideration in committee.
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walks the talk
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Posted 3:11, 05/27/2010
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The current list of states following Arizona's lead on immigration enforcement
include ARKANSAS, IDAHO, INDIANA, MARYLAND, MICHIGAN, MINNESOTA, MISSOURI, NEBRASKA,
NEVADA, NEW JERSEY, NORTH CAROLINA, OHIO, OKLAHOMA, PENNSYLVANIA, RHODE ISLAND,
SOUTH CAROLINA, TEXAS, UTAH.
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bassbug73
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Posted 3:46, 05/27/2010
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Way to go Don East!! Could be bad for the soccer programs..
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sharonsews
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Posted 9:21, 05/27/2010
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David.Hoyle@ncleg.net
I am writing you in support of Senator East's SJ 1349, which is a version of Arizona's
immigration enforcement law for NC. Please allow the bill to be scheduled for consideration in committee.
(Insert your name and address)
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walks the talk
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Posted 3:58, 05/28/2010
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When I called Hoyle's office on Thursday, the lady said, '...understand that the Bill will not be considered now as it is budget time. East will have to file/introduce it again..and it won't be heard until early 2011.'
Those Patriots who have called..Is that what you are being told?
Thanks.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 0:1, 06/06/2010
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Here is a suggestion that might appease everyone. The guy that I work with has a green card. He was told to carry it with him 24/7. It sounds to me that is all the Arizona people are asking for. Well, that and the right to demand it apon request of law enforcement.
Here is my suggestion. Maybe someone can pass it along to someone with some pull in Raleigh. How about if when issued a green card, the Mexican is given a patch to wear or pin on their shirts. That way they could be identified on sight by the patch. It could be an eagle with a snake in its talons or anything deemed cool by the legal Mexicans. It may be a little different but it would help to identify the legals from the illegals. That would also appease the people who don't like the idea of a legal American citizen being stopped and asked for their papers.
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white american
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Posted 9:15, 06/06/2010
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The patches would be easily copied. What is the problem of racial profiling when you are trying to get illegal Mexicans deported?
fp, I have a question for you. If someone robbed you, and you saw the race of the person, would you provide the race of the person in a police report or leave it out? If you say the robber was white, you are racial profiling whites.
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 20:16, 06/06/2010
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white american -
I would report the person as 6ft 3inches, white, black hair, bearded, tatoo of a snake of his forearm, a peg leg, and anything else that would help narrow the search down. That is called giving a description, not profiling. I wouldn't say it was some white guy.
BTW, who ever said profiling was a bad thing?
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white american
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Posted 7:53, 06/07/2010
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"BTW, who ever said profiling was a bad thing?"
Exactly right. That is something you are correct about. If 99% of illegals are hispanic, how is it racial profiling to ask hispanics to show their green card. Any American citizen can be asked for ID whenever a cop asks for it. Why should felons be exempt from this?
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 22:3, 06/08/2010
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white american -
Go back and read the third post on this thread. I have already said it is nothing but a political stunt. The cops can hit anyone up for an ID they want.
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Hot Dog
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Posted 7:44, 06/09/2010
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Regardless of race, every American citizen is required to carry a valid ID / Divers License that says exactly who they are, and where they live while driving. Why is it racial profiling to ask Latinos to carry valid ID, and legal documentation?
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Stokes
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Posted 9:6, 06/09/2010
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It's not hotdog. That's the reason the illegal population is raising so much hell about being forced to show they are legal. They are and have been breaking the laws of our land for years and do not want it to stop. Wake up America!!!
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white american
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Posted 9:42, 06/09/2010
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A beautiful fairy appeared one day to a destitute Mexican refugee outside an Arizona immigration office.
"Good man," the fairy said, "I've been sent here by President Obama, and told to grant you three wishes, since you just arrived in the United States with your wife and eight children."
The man told the fairy, "Well, where I come from we don't have good teeth, so I want new teeth, maybe a lot of gold in them."
The fairy looked at the man's almost toothless grin and -- PING!-- he had a brand new shining set of gold teeth in his mouth!
"What else?" asked the fairy, "Two more to go."
The refugee claimant now got bolder. "I need a big house with a three-car garage in Scottsdale, on the golf course, with eight bedrooms for my family, and the rest of my relatives who still live in my country. I want to bring them all over here" --- and -- PING!-- in the distance there could be seen a beautiful mansion with a three-car garage, a long driveway, and a walkout patio with a BBQ in an upscale neighborhood overlooking the golf course.
"One more wish," said the fairy, waving her wand.
"Yes, one more wish. I want to be like an American, with American clothes instead of these torn clothes, and a baseball cap instead of this sombrero. And I want to have white skin like Americans" ---and --- PING! -- The man was transformed - wearing worn-out jeans, an Arizona Cardinal T-shirt, and a baseball cap. He had his bad teeth back and the mansion had disappeared from the horizon.
"What happened to my new teeth?" he wailed. "Where is my new house?"
The fairy said: "Tough shit, Amigo, now that you are a white American, you have to fend for yourself."
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lamont
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Posted 14:13, 06/09/2010
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That is a good one.
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Lighting Strike
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Posted 17:53, 07/11/2010
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Subject: YA'LL COME
LET ME SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT.
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY
YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD
LABOR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU
ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU
GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY
YOU WILL BE JAILED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU
MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM
AGAIN.
IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU
WILL BE BRANDED A SPY
AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL
BE THROWN INTO
POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET
* A JOB,
* A DRIVERS LICENSE,
* SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
* WELFARE,
* FOOD STAMPS,
* CREDIT CARDS,
* SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
* FREE EDUCATION,
* FREE HEALTH CARE,
* A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
* BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC
DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR
LANGUAGE
* THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE
YOU PROTEST THAT
YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT
* AND, IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU CAN VOTE.
*
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON
THE SITUATION
PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING ....FORWARD TO ALL OF
YOUR FRIENDS & FAMILY
IT'S TIME TO WAKE UP AMERICA !!!!!!!!!!!!
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fiesta pantalones
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Posted 18:16, 07/11/2010
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Maybe if you cross the American border, Arizona could cut you up, throw the pieces into the Rio Grande, and toss your severed head back across the river. Then they could go down to Mexico and kill your mother and father for the trouble.
That would show Iran, North Korea, and China who the real men are. That is what you guys want isn't it? All while complaining that Obama is making us like....hmmmm....Iran, North Korea, and China.
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commonsense
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Posted 0:29, 07/14/2010
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Fiesta, The first paragraph of that posts doesn't sound like a bad idea. I bet that would change the wetbacks minds about coming here.
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white american
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Posted 7:45, 07/14/2010
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If there were 30,000,000 white felons getting everything free, what would the feds do?
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walks the talk
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Posted 3:34, 07/15/2010
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In filing suit against Arizona, the administration is delivering an only slightly
veiled and deeply troubling message to other states:
Enforcing immigration laws
locally may be right for your state; it may be popular with the voters; you even may
prevail in the end. But we would rather fight you - American citizens - than fight
illegal immigration.
FAIR
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walks the talk
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Posted 4:30, 07/15/2010
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Cat out of the bag:
"Policy-wise it makes sense, and Obama is popular with Hispanic
voters and this is going to be a popular move with them nationally."
--New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D, of course) on the DoJ lawsuit against Arizona
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